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BlueKKingCoug wrote:KingCoug wrote:
While I'm not a Republican (I consider myself a conservative independent), one thing that occurred to me is that you do see many of them wrestling with their consciences about voting for Trump. Do we see any Democrats doing the same with Hillary, who's even worse?
Trump is bad but anyone familar with Hillary's history wouldn't question if she's worse. Well, unless they're a liberal partisan hack. The damage she'd do through her Supreme Court picks alone makes her the worst of the two evils. As for Trump, the guy has a big mouth more than anything. But, if he's elected, I think the realities of the office will reign him in a lot.
Reasonable people should be able to peacefully disagree without childish insults. I'm not a partisan liberal hack, and neither are any of the Republican politicians I mentioned who have disavowed Trump. You're making the assumption the office would reign him in. I would hope that would be true, but there is no sure way of really knowing that. He certainly hasn't shown any signs of being mentally capable of reigning himself in on anything. I don't want him insulting other foreign leaders at 3am with his twitter account while he sits at the controls of our nuclear arsenal. Yes, he can be reigned in easier on domestic stuff, but a US president has an awful lot of leeway in foreign affairs, and I don't know why an unstable character like him wouldn't scare the crap out of us, but that's just my opinion. But I'm not the only one who feels like that, even in his own party. Never in our modern history have we seen so much of a presidential nominee's party run away from him. There are valid reasons even if you think the opponent is worse.
But what I think is more dangerous than Trump the person is how he all these months has been purposely and systematically trying to undermine and destroy his followers' faith in the basic institutions of our Constitutional government. Thus you get the woman at the Mike Pence rally the other day who said we should start a revolution if HIllary wins. His words are encouraging that kind of response. He talks about how he can't lose unless there is cheating. That's a lie. But it makes his people start to think things like we should consider doing away with voting. Why not let a dictator take over? That's the direction he is actively trying to take it. This is what happened in Europe in the 30s.
I know one Trump enthusiast at work who when I said I'm worried that he seems like he thinks he's running for dictator, and this guy said that a dictator wouldn't be such a bad thing. Then he said some other crazy stuff like how maybe places that have dictators like North Korea aren't so bad. The media tells you they're bad, but it might be a really great place. So I suggested he take a trip there and make sure he packs his Bible in his suitcase to see what happens. He finally seemed to come back to reality at that point. This is what bothers me the most about Trump's movement. He's trying to take down our entire system, because that's what the "alt-right" is all about and Trump either for purely selfish reasons or something else has used this campaign to tap into those crazies and they're thrilled he's bringing their anti-American ideas into the forefront. I see the "alt-right" as today's version of the Book of Mormon "kingmen."
Yes, this country is stronger than those fascist-turned European countries were. But what about the future my kids will be living in? I get angry thinking how he's trying to get that ball rolling. I get offended when he does this because it also insults something I consider inspired of God, which is our Constitution. No wonder in the recent Deseret News poll he is losing badly now in Utah among LDS. I"m not voting for him and I'm also not voting for Hillary. I'm just one vote which is not going to turn the election. But I can't in good conscience vote for either candidate.
More about what the "alt-right" is:
Here's the truly frightening part of that article:
Thus, within the world of neoreaction, Trump's seemingly authoritarian impulses are a feature, not a bug. The only real problem is he may not go far enough. NRxer Michael Perilloux, for example, complained that Trump wouldn't pull off the kind of power grab that many of his critics fear him capable of:
Is Trump likely to cancel the constitution, declare martial law, declare himself emperor to be succeeded by his children, nationalize the banks and media, hang some of the worst criminal bankers, send the Israelis back to Israel, call the National Guard to roll tanks into Harvard Yard, place all communists and other anti-American elements under house arrest, retire all government employees, replace the USG with the Trump Organization, and begin actually rebuilding America and western civilization?
Short of that, he is simply another phenomenon within the arcane workings of the system, as worthy of support as the ebb and flow of the tides. Surely, the unprecedented nature of his campaign warrants excited interest as a historical case-study and promising fore-shock of a true restoration, but he is not the king, and we have a ways to go yet.
and from wikipedia. Says pretty much the same kind of stuff but shorter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
Here's an excerpt:
On August 25, 2016, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton gave a speech accusing Republican candidate Donald Trump of "helping a radical fringe take over the Republican Party."[52] She identified this radical fringe with the alt-right, and noted that Trump's campaign chief executive Stephen Bannon has described his Breitbart News Network as "the platform for the alt-right."[52] Some members of the group were delighted; they described Clinton's speech as "free publicity", noted that Google searches peaked afterward, and suggested that millions of people were hearing of the movement "for the very first time".[53]
On September 9, 2016, several leaders of the alt-right community held a press conference, described by one reporter as the "coming-out party" of the little-known movement, to explain their goals.[54] They proclaimed racialist beliefs, stating "Race is real, race matters, and race is the foundation of identity."[55] Speakers called for a "White Homeland" and expounded on racial differences in intelligence. They also confirmed their support of Trump, saying "This is what a leader looks like."